"Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purpose — and you allow him to make war at pleasure. . . . If, today, he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him, ‘I see no probability of the British invading us’; but he will say to you, ‘Be silent; I see it, if you don’t.’"
     — Rep. Abraham Lincoln, explaining his opposition to the Mexican War

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  1. Lincoln was the first Republican President, which also makes the fact that the Old South is the seat of the shrubs power even more horribly ironic. It also makes me terribly sad to see what the party built on restoring the Union and freeing the slaves has denegrated to dividing the nation and trying to make us all wage slaves.
    from the All Powerful Wikipedia™ 😛
    The Whig Party saw two of its candidates elected President of the United States—-Harrison and Taylor—-and saw both of them die in office. Four months after succeeding Harrison, Whig President John Tyler was expelled from the Party, and Millard Fillmore, Taylor’s Vice President, would prove to be the last Whig to hold the nation’s highest office.

    Evidently being a whig president is unhealthy…

    I’m registered as a Whig, as I support a weakened executive branch and a strengthened legislative branch. I was told my card would say independent, because I didn’t belong to a major party. I got nothing but dirty looks when I said the Whig Party had elected presidents.

  2. the first republican president,

    wasn’t lincoln a whig?

    without an open rebellion

    there’s a big difference between spying on your own citizens because you have to, and spying on your own citizens because you want to…

  3. Acknowledged that the Mexican American war was fought for bullshit resons, but from a strickly strategic point of view, it was one of the most decisive military victories in modern world history. I’ve always been struck by the strange irony of Lincoln saying that. He did, after all, invade an American state as one of his first actions. That caused the rest of the south to secceed (5 states seceeded becauses they did not want to be in a nation that would use the Federal Army to coerce individual states into doing what the federal government wanted them to.

    Lincoln, the first republican president, actually suspended the writ of habius corpus and spied on his own citizens. I realize that half the country was in active rebellion so Lincoln had a valid reason, but the coincidence that the shrub is trying the same thing without an open rebellion just kills me. The modern Republicans seem to think that they can do any thing Lincoln did and use him a justification. I’m going to so love reading the history books about the shrub when I’m an old man. They will have nothing but bad to say about him.

    I have heard political historians say that the only time the country was as divided as it is now was in the late 1850’s…

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